Ok. but the pants were too large. Ordered size 34" waist, more like 45". Returning them but return label printed waaaay too large, didn't know how to reduce it, finally tried something, home I can find that return label in my email. Men in family like my Bobby Jones gifts/
The pants are extremely comfortable and they fit perfect. Will look to get some additional colors.
I have been traveling and have not had an opportunity to wear the trousers I purchased. Hence, I cannot provide a review.